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Death one hundred seconds to midnight.
I'm your host, Jackie Morante. Over

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the past few years, there have
been sightings of an invasive species that hasn't

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been seen since medieval times. These
predators roam the earth without fear. They

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destroy everything in their path, and
for some unknown reason, they've taken an

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interest in Peruvian cheese. It's ninety
seconds to midnight, and across the world,

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dragons are appearing on land, in
the sea, and in the air.

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They leave behind panic confusion in their
wake as authorities struggle to assess the

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situation and maintain order. In today's
episode, I'll be talking with scientists researching

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the phenomenon the dangers that dragons are
posing to humanity and the moral and ethical

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considerations that need to be addressed with
any novel species that appear in ecosystems.

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The following interviews are intended to explore
both sides of the dragon controversy. While

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dragons are an invasive species, having
originated in China, they are also an

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endangered species, so it's worth hearing
both sides of the story. Will begin

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with the argument for conservation. Doctor
Ben Dover is a conservation biologist who has

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studied reptiles around the world. He's
the world's leading authority on dragons. His

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book, Don't Slay the Dragons is
one of the top resources for infra on

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dragons, their habitats, and why
they're worth saving. Welcome, doctor Dover.

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How are you today. Thank you
for speaking with me about dragons and

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your conservation efforts concerning them. I'm
very well and I'm happy to be here.

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I always love talking about my favorite
animals. I'm sure my listeners are

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excited to hear more about these animals. How long have you been studying dragons.

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I've been involved in researching dragons for
several years now. I started by

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following NeSSI around Scotland. Then I
went to China to study a long Way.

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He's an interesting but very crumpy fellow. And I've had some dealings with

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Puff. Wait, Puff, the
magic dragon who lived by the sea.

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Yeah, he's a very nice guy. He hardly ever breathes fire. He

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actually loves company. He's been very
lonely since Jackie Paper died. Oh,

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yes, Jackie Paper's death was very, very sad. I'll be speaking with

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Puff a little later in the show. I was so glad that you could

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hook me up with him. Thank
you so much. I had door Puff.

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He gets a little crabby when I
take his temperature, because well you

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know, it's rectal. But I
give him a little cheese afterwards, and

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he's back to his happy self.
Where have all the dragons been? Why

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haven't we seen them before? Now? I mean the last Puff sighting was

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when the seventies and Nessie was thought
to be dead in the eighties. Long

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Way disappeared long before then. Where
have they been? Yes? Uh,

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dragons did disappear for quite a while. The conflicts with the man made them

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head to Siberia and bury themselves in
the permafrosts, where they've been hibernating for

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several decades. Now that global warming
is taking effect and the permafrost meltzy.

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They can't hide there any longer.
They can't sleep when it gets too warm.

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Mankind has hated and feared dragons for
centuries, and they feared that if

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they came out of hiding, they
would be killed. After all, look

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what happened to Appollala. Appollala wasn't
she the female dragon that lived in the

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lake in Nepal? She was.
Indeed, the Nepalese adored her. But

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when Western tourists visited Nepole, they
went swimming in the lake and found her

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lair. She ran them out of
her territory rightfully so, and the following

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day they came back and killed her. That's really sad. I heard that

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story a lot differently. I heard
that Appllalla got unnecessarily aggressive with the people.

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Of course, that's the way history
goes. Sometimes. Are dragons normally

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aggressive towards people, No, not
at all, Like any wild animal.

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They just want to be left alone. I won't say that they're more afraid

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of us than we are of them, but they certainly don't go hunting trouble

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and people are trouble for them.
There have been recent incidences of dragons attacking

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in Peru, the US, and
parts of eastern Europe. Do you know

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what provoked them? Well, the
dragons have gotten a taste for cheese.

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They only want Pruvian cheese, though, so they're trying to steal cheese from

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the markets over there. That's not
doing them any favors. Normally, dragons

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are herbivores. That's interesting. Are
they okay eating cheese? Wouldn't that upset

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their stomachs? Peruvian cheese is really
yummy, but it's rich. Yes,

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it does upset their stomachs. It
gives them gas, so you don't want

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to be standing anywhere near one when
they toot. I have to wear a

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papore when I interact with them.
Oh wow, it's that bad, kIPS,

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it's that bad. Yikes. And
Puff is eating cheese too. Oh

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yes, he loves his cheese,
but he's at least balancing it out with

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things like trees and other green leafy
vegetables. In your book, you mentioned

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that dragons are the cause of crop
circles. Could you explain that to my

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listeners please? Oh dear, yes, dragons will graze on the fly.

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This is why no one ever sees
footprints or any marks on the ground around

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crop circles, the dragons fly over
the grays, then they leave. All

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the designs you see in crop circles
are definite evidence that dragons have visited a

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field. They make some very cool
designs. Do they know what they're creating?

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Absolutely, they're quite creative. Each
crop circle has a meaning for the

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dragons. Some are family shields,
some are just doodles, but they all

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reflect their mood at the time.
That's fascinating. Can you tell me more

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about the physiology of the dragon,
their habitat, their lifespan, their weights

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and measures. Dragons normally live wherever
they want. They can live in water,

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on land, or inside mountains.
They normally like quiet places where they

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won't be bothered. Their layers are
often deep underground. In the case of

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water dwelling dragons, they make their
layers on the lake or ocean floor.

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Dragons can live up to five hundred
years in the wild. They have very

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long lifespans and they have no natural
predators besides humans. They grow up to

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two hundred feet long and are usually
around one hundred feet tall. That's actually

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pretty terrifying. I have seen them
flying over my house, but I didn't

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realize they were that big. They
were flying pretty high. They can fly

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at altitudes between already and forty thousand
feet. They do fly high. They

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light the thin air at those altitudes. Wow, don't they get hit by

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plane? There have been a few
incidences of plane crashing due to colliding with

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dragons, but the dragons usually get
out of the way. Despite the very

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thick armor like scales they have,
It's still hurts get hit by a plane.

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Oh, I would think. So
what is their breeding cycle like while

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they're in hibernation. They didn't breed
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hibernation will have to procreate. We
haven't seen any evidence of surviving spawn today,

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but they normally spawn every three days, and the eggs take up to

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five or six years to hatch.
They spawn every three days. Yes,

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they lay in very small clutches three
or four eggs, and generally both parents

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will rear the young until they are
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Usually all the spawn will survive.
There is very low mortality among dragons.

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Young dragons stay with their parents for
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enough to live on their own.
Now, doctor Dover, I know that

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you're promoting the conservation of these creatures, and they are wonderful. But if

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they live to be five hundred years
old and they spawn every three days,

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won't they take over the planet fairly
quickly? I don't think the mankind will

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allow that to happen. I believe
that people will begin hunting them as soon

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as they appear in greater numbers.
At this point, not many people have

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seen them. Either that or they
don't know what they've seen. Maybe it's

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just been a large shadow passing overhead. Maybe they've heard heavy footsteps in the

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forest. Maybe they've caught a whip
of sulfur in the air. There are

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only about ten dragons left now,
and some of them are very old,

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so who knows. If they can
spawn, they may die off on their

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own. We do have DNA samples
if we need to create more dragons,

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though create more dragons? Should we
create more dragons? Dragons are amazing creatures.

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They help the environment through cleaning dead
fields and trees, they promote new

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plant growth, and they're essentially harmless
to people. I'm not saying we should

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overpopulate, but create one breeding pair
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That is a compelling argument for keeping
the dragons around. I do appreciate your

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time, doctor Dover. It's been
a pleasure speaking with you, and thank

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you for arranging the interview with Puff. I'm looking forward to speaking with him.

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That's been my pleasure. It's always
good to speak to someone who has

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an open mind about wildlife conservation,
especially when it comes to dragons. So

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many people want to eliminate them and
they don't realize how important they are.

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Thank you again, doctor Dover.
I would encourage my listeners to check out

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Don't Slay the Dragons by doctor Ben
Dover. It's a wonderful book about dragon

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conservation. My next guest is doctor
fran Kenstein. Doctor Kenstein is an epidemiologist

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with the Centers for Dragon Control in
Los Alamos, New Mexico. She has

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also written a book called The Dangers
of Dragons Elimination of an Invasive Species.

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Welcome, doctor Kenstein. How are
you today? I'm doing well and you

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I'm very well. Thank you.
I know how busy you are in light

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of the recent dragon attacks, so
I won't take up too much of your

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time. Yes, there is a
lot going on with the dragons lately.

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They're getting more active and cheesemakers are
having a hard time keeping up with demand.

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Do you find it strange that the
dragons have taken an interest in cheese?

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No, not really. Dragons are
fickle creatures and they're really not very

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smart as compared to other animals.
They lose focus easily. Is the cheese

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crisis making them more aggressive toward people? Despite rumors to the contrary. Dragons

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are very dangerous animals. You never
know what might set them off. Historically

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they've attacked villages and eaten people for
various perceived slights. Don't they usually attack

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because people find their lairs. Yes, that's normally what gets them going.

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But even after they remove the threat, they continue to rampage and attack.

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Look at what's happening in Peru with
the cheese. That's very true. Several

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Peruvian villages have been attacked because they
can't make cheese fast enough to satisfy the

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dragon daggons. What's a dragon attack
like? Oh, dragon attacks are horrible.

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If they attack from the air,
it's comparable to a scorched earth attack.

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They breathe fire onto everything in their
path, roasting everything alive and destroying

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buildings and the land. There's no
place to hide since the fire can burn

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up to thirty feet below ground and
you can't outrun them. Normally, when

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dragons fly, they like altitudes around
forty thousand feet, so the environment isn't

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affected by their flight, But when
they're attacking, they fly much lower,

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and the flapping of their powerful wings
causes dangerous downdrafts and tsunamis. We've also

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found that if they circle close to
the ground, they can cause tornadoes and

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hurricanes. If the wingspan and the
fire aren't bad enough, they also stomp

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across the earth, leaving footprints at
average ten feet deep and crushing everything in

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their path. Oh that's horrifying.
I'm going to be interviewing Puff later.

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Should I be worried? Puff's pretty
laid back. He's been domesticated, but

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he is still a dragon, So
try not to say anything that he could

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perceive as an insult or a slight
Oh, and wear full tiec and a

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PAPR. I hear he's been eating
cheese, right, I've heard the flatulence

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is out of control and very dangerous. If they eat enough cheese, they

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breathe fire from both ends, if
you know what I mean. H I'll

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arrange to meet him outdoors. Oh, definitely, even if Puff is relatively

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tame, don't go anywhere near his
lair. Dragons are very picky about their

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space. Thank you for the advice. I don't want to end up like

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Sigurd. Oh. Yes, Sigurd. He was very successful and slew many

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dragons, but even he met his
match with Drago. Of course, she's

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a force to be reckoned with.
Is Drago still around? Oh? Yes,

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she's getting older and slower, but
she can still breathe fire with the

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best of them, and I believe
she can still breed. So there's that.

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That brings me to my next question. Do you think there's a chance

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that dragons will take over the Earth? I have no doubt that if we

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don't control them, they will.
Let's look at the logistics. Granted,

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not very many survived the Great Hibernation. There are only about ten left on

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Earth, but four of those are
female and perfectly able to lay eggs.

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Dragons spawn every three days and lay
clutches of three or four eggs every time.

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Most of those eggs will be viable
and will mature and hatch in about

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five years. Then those dragons will
mature about four years after that and go

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on to spawn with others. The
average lifespan of a dragon is five hundred

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years, so do we have to
do the math? That math looks pretty

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bad, even if we only consider
that they spawn every three days. I've

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heard that dragons carry several diseases.
Can you tell us more about that?

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Of course, that's my specialty as
an epidemiologist. Dragons carry several diseases.

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They're asymptomatic hosts for salmonella, mers, sars including COVID nineteen, ebola,

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and a host of other diseases.
Don't touch puff if you do, wash

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your hands right away. Dragons harbor
upwards of two hundred microorganisms that are harm

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full to humans. I seriously don't
know how Jackie Paper lived so long.

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Jackie Paper did live to a ripe
old age, but I will be careful

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not to touch pup. People always
want to interact with wildlife, but don't,

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especially dragons. They're very dangerous animals, not only because of their sheer

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size and strength, but because they
carry so many diseases. Ugh. Then

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there's the flatulence that alone could kill
someone. And right now, with the

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cheese thing going on, let's just
say it's bad. Well, doctor Kenstein,

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you have certainly given me some food
for thought. Do you think that

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efforts should be made to save the
dragons? No, I am totally against

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it. The ten or so that
are left will begin to wreak havoc on

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humankind shortly, and once the first
clutches of eggs hatch, there will be

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no stopping them. I'm afraid this
is one's that should be eliminated. I

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mean, they can live anywhere,
and they don't have any predators. They

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could dominate the earth in twenty years
or less. My book explains the dangers

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of allowing dragons to proliferate and detail. Have you read it? I have,

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and it's fascinating. The history of
the dragon is particularly interesting. Thank

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you. I loved writing that part. I thought there was no better way

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to bring my point home than by
talking about what's happened in the past.

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Well, the past certainly can tell
us a lot about the future. Thank

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you, doctor Kenstein for being a
guest on Cause of Death one hundred seconds

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to midnight. I appreciate you taking
the time to talk to me. Oh,

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thank you for having me. Let
me know how things work out with

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Puff, and please keep yourself safe. Remember he's kind of an old hippie,

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but he's still a dragon at heart. I'll keep it in mind,

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Doctor Kenstein. Thank you. That
was my interview with doctor fran Kenstein.

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If you're interested in learning more about
the Dangers of Dragons, check out her

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book, The Dangers of Dragons Elimination
of an Invasive Species. We're going to

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take a break to hear from my
sponsors. Then we'll be back with the

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moment you've been waiting for my interview
with Puff the Magic Dragon. And here

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he comes, Puff the Magic Dragon
who lived by the sea. Hello,

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Puff, welcome to Cause of Death. One hundred seconds to midnight. I

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appreciate you taking the time to meet
up with me. I appreciate you having

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me as a guest on your show. Did you bring geez a little?

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But would you mind eating it after
I'm safely downwind a few miles of course,

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In fact, we may want to
switch places. You're sitting up when

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from me? Now, Oh,
thank you. I'm glad you thought of

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that. The PAPR helps, but
it doesn't quite kill the smell. What's

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up with the cheese anyway? Puff? Well, when my friends and I

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woke from hibernation. We found ourselves
with an overwhelming craving, but we couldn't

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figure out what it was we were
wanting. We didn't eat cheese before,

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so we had no idea what it
tasted like. We flew all over the

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world, eating different trees and crops
and animals, and then one day Drago

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ate a Peruvian man. Way,
I thought dragons were herbivores. Most dragons

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are. I'm a vegetarian, so
I stick to the greens except for fish.

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But Drago Drago eats anything. She's
sort of a trash panda. Anyway,

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after eating the Peruvian man, she
figured out that he had eaten a

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bunch of Peruvian cheese. So we
went to a village and we plundered it

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for the cheese. You plundered a
village, Well, we couldn't buy the

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cheese. We didn't have money,
so we had to steal it. Are

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you still plundering for cheese? Of
course, we still don't have money,

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but we really like cheese, especially
Peruvian cheese, even if it makes us

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Cassie, excuse me, I ain't
quite a bit of cheese. Before I

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got here, Doctor Dover's been buying
cheese for us, so he can study

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us. He told me a little
bit about that. Do you like doctor

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Dover? Oh? Yes, Ben's
a very nice guy. Even plays with

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me a little, just like my
friend Jackie Paper used to. I'm so

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sorry for your lost puff. How
long has it been since Jackie passed?

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Only about thirty years. He was
my very best friend and he died so

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young. How old was he?
He was only one hundred and four,

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just a baby. He came to
see me right up till the day he

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passed. He slowed down quite a
bit over the last fifty years of his

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life. Oh, I imagine he
did. One hundred and four is a

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long life for a human. How
did you feel about the song that was

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written for you and Jackie? Oh? I thought it was a great tribute

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to our friendship. I was heartbroken
when he passed. I think I was

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the first one to go into hibernation. I buried myself in the permafrost right

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after his death. I haven't been
the same since. Excuse me, oh

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bah, I'm sorry, but I'm
so glad we're meeting outdoors. Holy Cow,

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I know the forts are really bad. I'm sorry. I didn't eat

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any cheese for a few days.
Hoping that the gas would subside. On

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the bright side, at least I'm
not fart and fire. Oh dear,

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that actually happens. Oh yes,
it can be rather dangerous for anything that's

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behind me. I started a forest
fire in California a few weeks ago.

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It's only a small one, Thank
god. That could have gotten the attention

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of the dragon slayers. Dragon slayers
still exist. Oh yes, there are

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many people who want to hunt us
out of existence. There are even schools

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where dragons slaying is taught. I
had no idea. Puff, What are

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you doing? Have you been eating
cheese? You smell like cheese. What

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kind of cheese is that? Well? I made mac and cheese out of

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graere. I love cheese. You
can't get enough cheese. Hm. Is

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that a French cheese? Yes,
grier is French. It's very melty,

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so it's good for making mac and
cheese. Puff. Did you eat any

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cheesemongers in Peru? Only one?
He smelled so much like cheese. Dragons

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love cheese. You know you could
uh pet my nose if you wanted to.

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Your nose is awfully close to your
mouth, which is getting extremely close

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to my face. Could you back
up? A hair, and you're starting

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to breathe fire. I'm getting really
hot in this tivek. Well, you

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could take the tivek off, then
I could smell you better. No,

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I think I better keep the tievek
on. I mean, you're pretty gassy

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and all. Oh, but tivek
doesn't taste very good. I mean,

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tivek is so hot and uncomfortable.
I promise I'll try not to fart anymore.

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Wait, I thought you were a
vegetarian. I am most of the

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time. Puff. It's been very
nice talking to you, But I have

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to go and let my dog out. I've been away from home for quite

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a while, and I'm sure she
needs to go potty. Would anyone else

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be missing you? I mean,
does anyone know you came here to meet

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me? Well, of course I
told doctor Kenstein and doctor Dover and several

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other people. I couldn't help the
brag that I was going to meet Puff

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the magic Dragon. What kind of
cheese have they been eating? I really

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wouldn't know, Puff, What is
that? It's vinegar? Puff? I

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also have dragon repellent and a sword. I took a few lessons in dragon

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slang before I came to meet you. Just in case. Ah, enough,

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Okay, I'll let you go.
Don't slay me. Doctor Kenstein was

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right. I'm glad I came prepared. You are a dragon at heart.

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Okay, Puff, I'm going to
back away slowly. No breathing fire and

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no trying to eat me. I
thank you for talking to me, but

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I have to go. Now,
go, just go before I get angry

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again. You're no fun to play
with. You were going to eat me.

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That's not playing. Holy cow,
that's a lot of wind. I'm

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going to get under this picnic table
until he's gone. Wow. So that

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was Puff the Magic Dragon. I
was expecting something really different. He got

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kind of angry in the end.
I want to thank my guests for this

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episode, doctor Ben Dover and doctor
fran Kenstein, and of course Puff the

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Magic Dragon. It's ninety seconds to
midnight and the last ten dragons on Earth

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are spawning. They're becoming aggressive over
cheese, and the threat to humankind looms

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bigger across the globe as the eggs
hatch and more dragons come into being.

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Thank you so much for listening to
Cause of Death one hundred seconds to midnight.

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I have some very special people to
thank for helping me with this episode.

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Jason Usrie of Santa Maybe a Criminal
who played Doctor Ben Dover instead of

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the already Gone podcast who played Doctor
fran Kenstein. And finally ce j John

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of Over the Rainbow, True Crimes
of the LGBTQ who played Puff the Magic

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Dragon. Thank you all for lending
your voices to this episode. This has

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been my pdversary episode. Three years
ago, I had an idea that I

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could mix my passion for infectious disease
with history and help others understand how governments,

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citizens and researchers view disease. Two
years ago, I added the one

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hundred Seconds to Midnight episodes to introduce
the concept of global disaster. This year,

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I'm sprinkling a bit of humor in
there to break up the infectious disease

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and disaster. If you'd like to
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next time, remember that even Puff
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