Bonus: How Cover Crops Promote Soil Health (feat. Parker Garlitz of True Leaf Market)

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I was honored to do an interview
with Parker Garlets of True Leaf Market.

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He is a wealth of information when
it comes to growing just about anything,

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so when he offered to come on
and do a short interview about cover crops,

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I was thrilled. True Leaf has
a long successful history offering seats for

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just about anything that anyone would want
to grow, and sustainable soil supplements to

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keep the soil healthy. I could
talk about true leaf and soil health all

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day, but I think it's better
to hear it from the expert. So

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without further ado, here's my interview
with Parker Garlets of True Leaf Market.

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Welcome Parker. I'm so happy to
have you on company. Thank you so

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much. It's my pleasure to be
with you. Can you tell us a

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little bit about you and True Leaf
Market and how you bet? My name

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is Parker Garlets. I'm one of
the co founders of True Leaf Market,

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and True Leaf Market is primarily more
anything else as seed company. We also

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sell a lot of other stuff like
you know, starts and some supplies and

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you know other things, and we're
more than just a garden seed company.

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We have a full range of of
course, garden seeds or flower vegetable,

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but we also carry microgreen seeds and
sprouting seeds, and grain seeds and cover

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crop seeds and all kinds of other
specialty seeds. And how long have you

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been in business? Well, so
that's a that's a weird question, because

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we have acquired We've gone through some
mergers and some acquisitions, so we have

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seed company brands that, believe it
or not, date back over one hundred

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years, but obviously not me.
So my sister and I started a company

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called Living Whole Foods in the year
two thousand and we started selling wheat,

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grass growing kits and sprouting supplies online, and in twenty fourteen we merged with

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Mountain Valley's Seed Company, and along
the way, my sister and I had

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acquired one of our competitors, a
company called Handy Pantry. Andy Pantry was

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founded in I thinkteen seventy four,
and as coincidence would have it, Mountain

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Valley Seed Company was also founded in
nineteen seventy four. So truly, if

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market has been around as a brand
since twenty fourteen, but all of our

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pieces and parts and components go arguably
back to nineteen seventy four or earlier,

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depending on your take. We acquired
a seed company called Kitazawa Seed Company.

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They specialized in Japanese and other Asian
varieties, and they were founded in nineteen

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seventeen. We're very proud of that
brand and are committed to growing it and

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helping people discover new and fun and
interesting Asian varieties. That's fantastic. I

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was looking into your website and when
you became one of my sponsors, I

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was all over that website just wondering
what I was going to grow next.

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We've got a lot there. There's
a lot. There's a lot, boy,

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Yeah, and there's some fun stuff
there. There's some really fun absolutely.

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Okay, So let's talk about cover
crops. How do they were?

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How what? How do you plant
them? How do you bet? Well?

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It might might be good to maybe
just give a little context and history

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of what cover crops are. So
cover crops have been used for thousands of

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years in agriculture as a way to
rehabilitate soil. Right. I think Fritz

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Hauber, the German scientists synthesize the
mode so we could have chemical fertilizers sometime

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about you know, one hundred hundred
and ten years ago, something along those

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lines. And prior to that,
you know, if you wanted soil health,

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it was a challenge and you you
know, you'd have to fertilize with

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maneuver or batwano or I mean,
there's lots of sources, but they were

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scarce and not sustainable. So the
most sustainable way to rehabilitate soil was using

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a cover crop. And certain cover
crops have certain benefits like they'll put nitrogen

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back into the soil or do other
important things, right, So it's been

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a very popular technique for commercial agriculture, and even now in the age of

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chemical fertilizers, a lot of commercial
farms will grow cover crops because they provide

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benefits that even an NPK fertilizer K. So the latest greatest thing, right

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is the idea of taking this very
powerful commercial agricu culture idea and using it

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at a backyard garden or even in
a container guard and growing cover crops to

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rehabilitate soil and soil health. Right, So that's kind of the idea.

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And cover crops are basically just a
crop that you grow off season. So

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if you harvest your crops, say
in you know, August or September or

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October or November, depending on where
in the world you are. You know

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what zone you grow in. Then
you can plant a cover crop immediately after

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that and let that crop just overwinter. In a lot of areas that cover

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crop will winter kill, and if
it doesn't winter kill, you may need

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determinated in the spring. And there's
different techniques. Some people want to plow

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it under and others others are adherence, some kind of a more of a

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no till method. Either way,
cover crops. Cover crops work and provide

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all kinds of potential benefits to soil. And we have lots and lots and

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lots of our home garden customers who
have never tried a cover crop tried it

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for the first year and then send
us an email or called us in and

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said, it's unbelievable, how what
a difference it made in the subsequent year

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in my dark kind of thing.
And the cool thing is, cover crops

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are easy to grow. You just
spread the scene, make sure that get

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water, make sure that you get
established, and let it let it go

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through the winter. And dollar for
dollar, there's probably nothing you can do

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as cheap and effective as rehabilitating soil. With a cover crop, right,

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that kind of makes sense. Is
that the answer you're looking for on that?

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That's kind of a that is exactly
the answer. Yeah, No,

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that's great, that's perfect. So
we were talking a little bit through email

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about pollinators. What does a cover
crop do for well, So one thing

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that a cover crop does do for
pollinators is, you know, during the

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spring and during the summer, pollinators
have lots and lots and lots of options,

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right. But as you start to
get a little bit later in the

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season, or maybe in the very
early spring, one of the cool things

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about cover crops is they tend to
be pretty hardy crops. Right, Like,

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yo, I'm in I'm in a
zone five B, right, and

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in my zone Utah, there are
weeds that will get them selves nicely established

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starting in early February, right,
which is maddening on one hand, but

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impressive on the other hand. Well, cover crops are just as hardy as

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those early weeds. They will grow
and get and they'll take hold even in

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cold temperatures, and they're they're typically
quite cold hardy. So in whether you

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plant a cover crop in the early
early spring or you plant out of the

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late fall, let it over winter, cover crops can provide some blooms and

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some options for pollinators even when there's
not much else out there, So it's

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always a nice thing. And of
course if you're planning like cover crops for

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forage for you know, chickens or
goats or cattle or whatever it is,

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you know a lot of these have
clovers in them, a low growing like

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a white Dutch clover or a crimson
clover. Those are typically good components of

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cover crops, and those blooms are
very popular for pollinators, both bees and

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butterflies. Oh that's great, that's
wonderful. Perfect. So when we go

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back to the soil, does it
promote microbe grow? It does a whole

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bunch of stuff. I've got a
little note here so I can make sure

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that that I hit everything, and
I always give you a list of potential

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benefits. Now, these very based
on the type of crop that you grow,

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right, Not every cover crop is
the same, and so that that

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that raises a question. Well,
from my particular garden, what cover crop

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do I grow? Well, I
mean, experienced farmers will will do things

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like you know, they'll test the
pH at their soil and they'll do all

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kinds of scientific studies and tests on
their soil and diagnose soil and then grow

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exactly the right cover crop for what
they want to accomplish. Well, that's

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probably beyond the scope of ninety nine
point you know, five percent of gardeners

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out there. So we put together
an all purpose cover crop mix has a

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little bit of everything in there,
and it's a very very good cover crop.

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So you just look for our all
purpose garden cover crop mix and it

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does everything that cover crops do.
And here's here's kind of a bullet point

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list. Right, the first and
main thing is it adds biomass to the

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soil. Now, if you if
you are a tiller, right, it's

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obvious where that biomass is going to
come from and end up underneath the soil.

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But what if you're a no till
gardment, where does the biomass come

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from? Well, if you imagine
looking at a plant kind of if you

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had a vision where you could look
at fifty under the soil at the same

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time that you looked above the soil. For a lot of crops, especially

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grain crops, and there's our cover
crop makes has several grains in it and

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mustards, especially the root mass is
huge, and oftentimes there's more biomass in

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the root system than below the ground
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that makes sense. So even if
you're a no till farmer, great,

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terminate that crop, let it lie
down, and the biomass that's grown in

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the off season under the ground provides
a tremendous amount of organic matter. Right.

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Green manure is a popular way to
describe a cover crop, so adding

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biomass to the soil, it'll do
stuff like keep soil bacteria healthy and active,

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right, So it's not necessarily adding
bacteria to the soil. Although our

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cover crop mix is pre inoculated with
Rhizobium bacteria which create which act in tandem

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with legumes and pull nitrogen out of
the air and make nitrogen nodules in the

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root system. And that's how cover
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right, and nitrogen of course,
there's want of the key components in NK

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so so yeah, in terms of
the microbiome of the soil, it's critical

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it does add nutrients to the soil. It can pull n it can pull

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nitrogen out of the air, and
cover crops with deep tap roots like mustards

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can pull trace minerals from deep in
the soil and pull them up and make

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them available for a garden crop.
Right, one of my little pet theories.

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And you can put an asterisk on
this, right, this is it's

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crazy opinion. Right, But you
know, for a hundred years now,

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what have agricult commercial agricultural been fertilizing
with. Well, they've been putting and

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pique nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium back
into the soil and as as as as

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nature would have it, those three
things are all you need to grow big,

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healthy crops. But what's missing When
was the last time somebody added selenium

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or vanadium or chromium or copper or
zake or sulfur or any of those other

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trace minerals that are beneficial for few
of human health. When we're those added

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back to the soil, right,
so cover crops can sometimes pull those trace

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nutrients up from deep. Then of
course you can also fertilize with the trace

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mineral fertilizer and add some of those
types of things back into your garden.

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They certainly attract beneficial insects of pollinators. They improve soil structure. If you

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have sandy soil, it will help
with that. If you have really thick

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clay soil or cover crop mix contains
dichon radish driller radish, which just to

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break that soil up and give it
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good. Cover crops could prevent erosion
if you have wind or rain over the

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you know, in the off season, and prevent loss of topsoil. Some

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cover crops like mustards can help control
pests, right, the spicy chemical and

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mustard. A lot of bugs don't
like it. Nematodes don't like it,

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so it tends to drive them away. Traps moisture when it's used as a

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mulch. If you're a no till
farmer, right, competes for weeds,

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which is very nice. Can be
used as a forage. It's often quite

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beautiful. And one of the biggest
crazy benefits of all is how cheap it

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is. Right we're a typical home
garden. You're talking ten to fifteen dollars

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worth of cover crop seed to plant
a thorough cover crop. And the benefit

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that it has on your soil is
you know, wonderful. And it's a

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lot less work and a lot easier
than haul and collpost. Right, Oh

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yeah, it's like yeah, it's
you know, it's it creates its own

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compost in the soil directly. It's
a wonderful little strategy and it's as old,

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you know, it's as old as
your oldest ancestor going back, you

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know, one hundred, two hundred
generations that use this technique as a as

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a gardening and at an agriculture technique. It's really kind of a neat idea

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and it's simple, it's so easy
to do. It's a wonderful idea,

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and it sounds like it has it
has more benefits than we even think of

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it typically does it. I Mean, it's just it's almost such a no

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brainer that it should be part of
everybody's standard garden strategy. But it's really

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only been in the past, you
know, ten or fifteen years that cover

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crops have been started to become popular
for home gardening. I mean, there's

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always been home gardeners that did it, but in terms of getting a little

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more mainstream for gardening, I mean, growing up, growing up my family

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garden, we never did a cover
crop. Didn't even know that, we

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didn't know that it was a thing, right, But now you'll see that

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it's it's quite a bit more common. It against very very easy to do,

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so it's uh, yeah, it's
kind of it's kind of a neat

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idea. It is a great idea. Now I have a question for you.

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I live in an in an apartment
and so I grow I have a

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big garden bed in my apartment.
Would it would a cover crop help my

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garden bed because the soil in there
gets pretty absolutely so, we have we

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have a lot of customers who live
in an apartment and have a have a

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like an apartment patio or porch container
garden. Right, well, they'll grow

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in in in large pots or buckets
or containers. Add at the end of

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the season, I mean, and
you do need a lot of cover crop

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seed in order to rehabilitate a container, right, I mean it's literally petties

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worth of cover crop seed. But
yeah, you can go cover crops in

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the off season in a garden bed
or even hanging baskets or deck reel planters,

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any of that can benefit from cover
crop. Absolutely perfect, perfect.

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Yeah, I'll probably be on the
website again getting getting some cover crops.

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We're very glad and like I say
that, we have there's a couple of

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things. We have a whole bunch
of different options, right, we carry

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dozens and dozens and dozens of cover
crops, a lot of those. Or

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for small and medium farms who self
diagnose and no, oh I need harry

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vetch or I need you know,
I need legumes. Whatever it is that

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they're doing, they have a specific
need and they come in and buy cover

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crops in bulk for that particular need. But for most home gardeners, yeah,

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don't even sweat it. Just go
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mix and it does a little bit
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turnips? What do those do in
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starting seeds. They do great for
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take a little experimentation. And if
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brainer, it wouldn't be fun.
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fun, right right, Well,
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