S5 E4: The Roach Motel: The Story of the Cockroach

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I want to start out by wishing
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and blessed new Year. I'm cautiously
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the last. I hear my dedicated
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to my friend and Patreon member Claire
for upping her Patreon donation. Thank you

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so much, Claire. You don't
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you're supporting the show. I am
again putting the E Coli episode on hold,

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but it's for a very good reason. I was looking around my new

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apartment and I found something that absolutely
makes my skin crawl. I found roaches,

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not just one or two, but
whole fleets of them, crawling all

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over my kitchen. All of my
stuff is still in boxes while I decide

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what to do about this situation.
I'm hoping that I can get out of

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my lease without any repercussions, but
I fear that it may take a literal

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act of Congress. And part of
my research for this episode was looking into

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Renter's rights for the state of Kansas. After listening to this episode, please

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don't write and tell me that DDT
will kill about anything. Yes, it

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will, But I love my dog
and I'd like to see my next birthday.

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Okay, Well, with that let's
get to it right now. I

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know way more about roaches than I
ever thought i'd want to, and look

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at me sharing that love. Let's
start with what roaches are besides gross,

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nasty, vile, disease carrying vermin. Since we're talking about something that's considered

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an animal, I'm going to go
through their hierarchy. Roaches come from the

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class in secta kingdom Animalia, order
Bladidia, Phylum Arthropoda, and superorder Dictoptera.

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They are a paraphyletic group of insects. Paraphylytic only means that they've descended

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from a common evolutionary ancestor or ancestral
group, but not including all descending groups.

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There are forty five hundred species of
cockroaches in the world. Only thirty

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of these are considered pests. The
ones I have are German roaches, which

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are definitely considered pests. There are
four species of roach that commonly call the

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US home American, German, Australian, and Oriental roaches. My freeloading,

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non rent paink dirty little roommates are
known as Laditela Germanica. They're the most

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common roach species in the US.
They're not the ones that are considered the

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most quote dangerous if you will.
Those would be Oriental roaches that hang out

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in sewers and then come and march
all over your kitchen counters. A new

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breed of roach has just been identified
in New York City, a novelle species

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with a higher tolerance for cold weather. Paraplaneta jaconica is a roach from Japan.

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But one of these little critters was
spotted by an exterminator in Highline Park

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in New York. The sighting was
confirmed by an entomologist sometime later. In

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the Southwest, we had Turkistan roaches. They couldn't climb walls, but they

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reproduce so quickly that anyone with an
impestation would see piles of them all over

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the place. They would be everywhere
in New Mexico. If people didn't exterminate

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regularly, there would be roaches piled
to the ceiling. We did have some

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natural predators, though, the little
blue tailed skiing sloved them, and so

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did the road rivers. German roaches, like I said, are the most

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common, but those American roaches are
the biggest. American roaches are also known

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as palmetto bugs. If you've ever
been to Florida. You've seen one.

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They're huge. Australian roaches can fly. Isn't that something out of your worst

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nightmares? It was once thought that
termites were a separate species from cockroaches,

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But lo and behold, these destructive
vermins share an ancestor with the roach.

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Now they can all get together at
family reunions and how a blast talking about

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how they can overcome the human race. Speaking of taking over, I wanted

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to know what an infestation looked like. According to go Forth Pest Control Company,

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if you have five or fewer roaches, it's a light infestation. If

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it's between ten and twenty five,
it's a moderate one. If it exceeds

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twenty five, well you're just kind
of done. I'm somewhere between moderate and

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done. I see about ten to
fifteen daily. Some of them get caught

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in the carpet and die, and
there are always five or six hanging out

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on the kitchen counters or in the
sink. They crawl in and out of

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my stovetop. Go Fourth reminded me
that just because I'm seeing ten or so

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roaches on any given day, there
are probably fifty or sixty more that I'm

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not seeing, and they're multiplying exponentially
every day. This is my life right

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now. I'll tell the whole story
in the end, but yeah, this

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is my life. Roaches are not
turnal, so if you see them during

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the day, it's a pretty good
sign that you have an infestation. They're

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competing for food, so they're coming
out whenever they can to find something to

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eat. I see some during the
day, but they stampede at night.

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Now, roaches stink. I thought
my dog was having accidents in the house,

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but it turns out that it's the
roaches. It doesn't really smell like

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peer pooh, but it's a musty
smell that's prutty, dark and strong.

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Some of this is pheromones to attract
mates. Some of this is a trail

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to food or water so others can
find it. They're cannibalistic, so they

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leave trails to dead roaches so they
can even find more food. It's also

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the smell of their droppings. As
the imfestation goes on, the smell gets

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worse. The smell is really strong
where they nest or breed. If you

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have a problem, you'll see roach
eggs. They like to lay eggs in

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places that are well protected like books, furniture, and closets. A real

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favorite is cardboard Guess what my house
is filled with Since I haven't moved into

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my house, Yes, my stuff
is in cardboard boxes. Another thing you'll

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see is roach droppings. Anything that
eats is going to poop, and roaches

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poop more often than any other living
being since they have a crazy high metabolism.

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I'm not even going to talk about
what the drawers, cabinets, and

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counters look like in my kitchen.
I've cleaned the counters, but it doesn't

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matter. They crawl across them and
I have another mess to clean out.

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Roaches don't necessarily invade because your house
is dirty. I'm not immaculate, but

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I'm not a slab either. I
clean my house on a regular basis.

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I take my trash out, and
I clean up messes right away. But

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I live in an impartment building,
obviously one that hasn't been well taken care

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of. I'm not the only one
complaining about a roach infestation. But just

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because I keep a fairly clean house
doesn't mean my nextdoor neighbor is doing the

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same thing. They could be filthy
for all I know. For those who

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live in immaculately clean houses where you
may not have attached neighbors, you could

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still have a roach or two or
a hundred. They can get in through

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ducked work cracks in the foundation walls, doors, any nookacrate that they find.

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They come in in search of food, water, and warmth. Okay,

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So I'm not going to get into
the lifespan of every roach species or

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description of them. I'm just going
to give an overview of the common roach.

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They have an east shaped body,
six legs and two and tenny and

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they're usually a reddish brown color.
They range in size between three quarter inches

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and three inches long, and they
live anywhere from six months to a year,

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depending on the species. There are
some pretty good ways to stop roaches

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from invading your life, and since
my property manager isn't doing much about it,

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I'm going to try a feel.
Dietemaceous earth kills roaches by lacerating their

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exoskeletons and dehydrating them. This can
be used in thin layers in cabinets and

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between the cabinets. It's the most
highly recommended roach repellents because it's safe for

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pets, but it's still not recommended
for surfaces where food is prepared. Actually,

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none of these are recommended for places
where food is prepared, so let's

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just get that out there. Boric
acid is another of the most effective roch

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killers out there. Its odorless,
has low toxicity and doesn't repel the roaches.

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They won't avoid it. They'll just
crawl right through it. They will

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crawl through it until it kills them. Mixing boric acid with a little powdered

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sugar causes them to eat it,
then they die. When the roaches tromp

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through the boric acid, it sticks
to their legs and wings, and when

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they lick it off to clean themselves
off, it affects their nervous and digestive

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system. Borax is rumored to be
great for killing roaches. The recipe is

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one part boraxe and one part table
sugar. Borax dehydrates them and kills them

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quickly. The only thing about borax
is you have to watch your pets around

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it. O sage, orange oil, neptilacetoe, which is one of the

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chemicals, and cat nip and senial, which is found in bay leaves are

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great repellents. Baking soda is also
a diy roach killer. Dice up some

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onions and sprinkle them with baking soda. Then when the roaches eat the baking

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soda, they get gassy, and
since they can't fart, they explode internally.

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It sounds like an awful death,
and they deserve it. If you

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want to get a good take on
the seriousness of the problem you have,

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use glue traps. That way you
can get account and then you can figure

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out how many you have and whether
you have a real problem. Bait stations

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are great for killing roaches, but
they are toxic. Roaches are attracted to

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the bait. They eat the bait
and then go to the nest to die.

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Other roaches will eat them and then
they also get poisoned. No though

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that if your dog or cat eats
the roaches, they may become sick.

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Totally avoid foggers. Foggers are extremely
toxic to pets and humans. The chemicals

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can't be controlled, so they do
get everywhere, but you can't always clean

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up after them. Minimizing places that
roaches can get into the house is a

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huge deal. Cock anything around water
pipes that go outside, Put screens in

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the dryer vents, do whatever you
can to keep the roaches out, clean

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up your yard, keep trees and
shrubs, cut back from the house and

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spray it outside as well as inside. Of course, if things get bad,

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you need to bring in a professional
to take care of the roaches.

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It's worth it. The best way
to keep roaches at a minimum is to

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keep your house clean. Take your
trash out and don't leave dirty dishes laying

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around. Keep food in air tight
containers. Don't leave out any food nothing.

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Roaches have a huge impact on restaurants
and food service facilities. Food manufacturers

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have a real problem with roach control, but if a restaurant or a food

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facility is inspected by any government agency, they can be shut down immediately if

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a single roaches seen, and this
is the way it should be. No

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one wants to eat roaches, especially
when you know what they carry around on

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their bodies. Roaches can transport salmonellas
species, Staphylococcus species, Ecola, typhoid

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fever, Vacillus, serus, Shigella, dysentere rhodovirus, Aspergilius fumigodis, and

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Cryptosportian parvum. Roaches can also cause
gastro intestinal distress, allergic reactions, respiratory

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distress, asthma, and something called
roach rash, which is an allergic reaction

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presenting through the skin. We'll be
talking about E. Coli, salmonella,

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and gastro intestinal distress in this season. I talked about typhoid fever last season,

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and the rest will come up in
future seasons. You're not getting away

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that easy. You'll hear more about
these diseases and about roaches. This season

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is all about food board disease,
So let's talk a little bit about how

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roaches affect the restaurant industry. On
July twenty sixth, twenty twenty two,

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the Hawaii Department of Health issued a
red placard and shut down the Lahaina Fish

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Company due to a roach infestation.
The fish company was ordered to be closed

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until the problem was resolved. During
a routine inspection conducted on July twenty second,

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roaches were seen by an inspector in
the kitchen storage area and in the

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bar area. The restaurant was shut
down for the presence of pests, food

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debris, and grease accumulation. There
were improper cold holding temperatures and improper protection

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of food from cross contamination. At
this time, the restaurant was issued a

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yellow play card. The restaurant could
remain open, but was given a warning

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to clean the place up before they
could serve food. They had to have

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pest control come through to get rid
of the roaches. The follow up inspection

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occurred on July twenty sixth, and
the DOH inspector did a full inspection of

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the restaurant. While examining the cook
line, he found significant roach activity,

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food debris, and grease build up
in the kitchen. That's a perfect home

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for roaches. It's warm, and
there's lots of food and water. At

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this time, the cold holding problems
and cross contamination had been corrected, though

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this is when they were issued the
red play card. The restaurant was not

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allowed to operate until they had eradicated
the roaches by increasing pest controlled treatments and

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continued monitoring for juvenile and adult roach
populations. They had to prove that they

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were having exterminators come out in spray, and they had to send the plan

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that the exterminators had created to the
district Health inspector. They also had to

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deep clean all areas of the restaurant
to get rid of the food debris and

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grease build up. The follow up
inspection was scheduled for August first. After

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this inspection was conducted, the restaurant
was allowed to open. The roach problem

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was not completely taken care of,
but the filth in the kitchen had been

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cleaned up and all violations had been
properly addressed. Another inspection was conducted on

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August fourth. Lahainah had continued to
keep their restaurant clean and the roach problem

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was still being addressed, but a
lot of progress had been made. They

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were allowed to open their doors and
start serving food again. By August ninth,

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the restaurant had been hailed as one
of the top ten best restaurants on

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Maui. The Lahinah Fish Company is
fairly up scale. It's not your basic

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taco bell, so for them to
be shut down can be devastating for their

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business. Their reputation as well as
their income, was at stake. That

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said, they got it together and
got the problems under control, but this

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could happen to any establishment that doesn't
comply with health orders. The Department of

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Health will shut down any establishment until
they decide to comply. All those diseases

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that I talked about a few minutes
ago are the very reason why complying is

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so important. The Lahina Fish Company
realized this and got their problems under control

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very very quickly. Let's talk about
some history. Roaches have been around forever.

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This is one reason that they're becoming
increasingly resistant to pesticides. They're becoming

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resistant to a variety of pesticides because
they're evolving to have reduced sensitivity cuticular penetration,

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and they're just learning what bait smells
like so they avoid it. They're

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actually evolving toward low sugar diets because
so many people bait them with sweet sliced

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with roach killer. Long story short. To be successfully killing roaches, you

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have to rotate the bait. Using
the same stuff all the time isn't going

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to cut it. Coctor roaches have
been around since the dawn of time,

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and they may be around after hundred
seconds are up. If I survived the

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end of the world, I'll be
doing a show for the roaches. When

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you have a problem with them,
it makes you wonder if they won't be

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the last living creatures on the planet. There are a pair of roaches that

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were found preserved and lumps of amber
were found in the Hukun Valley in Maimar.

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These roaches are suspected to be roughly
ninety nine million years old. They

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are the oldest down animals to have
adapted to life in caves during the Crestaceous

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period between sixty six to one hundred
and forty five billion years ago. Scientists

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classified them as two new species of
roach. Mellerablada balangi had a pale body

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and stunted eyes and wings. Their
legs lacked the protective spines since you see

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on roaches today. They did have
extraordinarily long and tennae, though they had

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traded some things so that they can
navigate the caves better. The sense of

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touch was more important than the sense
of sight, so long antennae, but

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stunted eyes, no need for wings. The caves weren't the place to fly.

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They didn't need pigment there since there
was no sunlight. The protective spines

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weren't needed since there were no predators. Chronecticulis edba looked a little more like

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the roaches we see today, but
they have been more likely to travel closer

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to the cave entrance. It is
thought that other animals and insects were also

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cave dwellers, but there have been
no other fossils found in the caves.

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Roaches were alive and well on the
land mass of Pangaea over three hundred million

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years ago. They were around before
the continents split. The roach predates the

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oldest known dinosaur, Nassasaris parentoni,
found in Tanzania, by about fifty million

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years. This was proven in a
study that was published in Molecular Biology and

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Evolution by doctor Thomas Borignon with the
Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology. He

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studied several genomes of roaches and collected
data on their evolutionary clock. His research

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concluded that roaches were around when Pangaea
was a super continent. As continental drifts

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split Pangaea into the continents we have
now. The roaches traveled with the drift,

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and that's how they got to be
everywhere. Then they multiplied like well

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roaches. The original roach species is
long gone, but scientists believe that the

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last common ancestor of today's roach appeared
around two hundred thirty five million years ago.

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By the fossil record, the last
common roach ancestor lived about one hundred

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and forty million years ago. Brignon
told Molecular Biology and Evolution quote, our

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results indicate that extent cockroache families evolved
over periods of up to around one hundred

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and eighty million years. Through reconstructions
of the ancestral distribution of cockroaches using the

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known distributions of extent generad sampled in
this study, we found evidence that the

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continental breakup has had important impacts on
cockeerage, biogeography end quote. Roaches only

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fly well enough to gross us out, so they couldn't have made it to

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every continent on the planet unless they
were brought there somehow. As Pangaea broke

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up and became continents, roaches went
along for the ride, like little,

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disgusting, freeloading it's hikers. My
personal situation today with the roach problem is

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that I have to do something to
keep them from moving with me when I

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leave, which I'm hoping will be
soon. I have gotten sick, I've

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had gastrointestinal problems, possibly food poisoning. I've had allergic reaction, and I've

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had roach rash. I have three
dishes that I keep out to eat off

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of. I use them, I
wash them, I put them in the

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sink to dry, then I wash
them again before I use them. I

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only use one counter. I clean
all the counters every day with bleach,

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but I can't really prepare food,
so I eat frozen dinners that I can

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put in the microwave. The roaches
haven't been able to get into the microwave

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or the refrigerator yet. I go
to great lengths to keep myself from getting

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is sick, but I still get
sick. That said, I'm looking for

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a place to go, but I
paid quite a bit of money and deposits,

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and I'm already paid two and a
half months worth of rent. I

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at least want to be able to
move and get my deposits back. I

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signed on for a year, but
I'm not going to make it that long.

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I at least want to try to
break my lease without any repercussions.

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I've contacted HUD, the State Health
Department, my County Health Department, and

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the housing authority. The County Health
Department told me that this apartment complex gets

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complaints every day. It appears that
no one does anything about it. I'm

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going to end this with some food
for thought. There are two socioeconomic classes

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that don't have roach problems, the
very rich and the extremely poor. If

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you're on Section eight or living in
low income housing, you can call HUD

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and they'll be on it. Things
will get done. I lived in low

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income housing for a while, and
all I had to do was make a

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phone call and whatever I needed done
was done. And I never sought any

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pests in that apartment complex. My
apartment was nice, things got fixed,

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and I was fairly happy there.
I had to move when I got a

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raise. I wasn't in the quote
low income bracket anymore. People with very

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low incomes can also get free legal
services from the state, usually so they

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can call a lawyer and have some
recourse against a landlord with a chronic problem.

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They're very rich, just call the
lawyer, they have a retainer,

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and things get done and a story. I fall into that middle ground.

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I edge closer to the low income
bracket, but I make just enough money

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that I don't qualify for Section eight
or legal I work really hard to make

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my rent every month. Everyone in
these apartments has to work really hard to

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make rent, and we all deserve
to have safe, clean, affordable housing.

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It seems like something could and should
be done about the situation, but

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I don't know if anything can or
will. It's apparently been going on for

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years. It's unfortunate. I would
think that the property management company would want

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to invest in the property that they
own, but they're not thinking long term.

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They're only thinking about the money they
can make today. So there you

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have it. Ruches, they're grows, disgusting creatures, But I guess that

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if I had a lizard, my
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their history. Thank you all again
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I really do talk about ECLI.
I am a voice of many, but

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I am not the last, and
I won't be until we come through the

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realization of our true crisis on our
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and sisters of color, specifically of
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Black and Latino people of culture.
We are being kidnapped, murdered, and

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lost. This true crime podcast narrows
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two spirits, as well as my
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their families, the families that had
tried ever so wretchedly to get their voices

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heard across social media and news broadcasts
in the endless fight to get justice in

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a world so unjust because of our
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their creed. This podcast shines a
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bolder, fearless amongst this large pond
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Castillo and I am a Black Indigenous
person of color, a woman that has

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a deep understanding of the pain of
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amongst the cries of sorrow and anguish. I will have a variety of families

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as well as nonprofit organizations in a
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on human trafficking, the missing and
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to extend my podcast across the world
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We stand and we won't back down
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